If the universe is required to have a creator

If the universe is required to have a creator it is we ourselves for there is no universe unless we ourselves experience it and we ourselves experience ourselves living as a part of it and come to know that. If we are not then there is no universe for there is no knowing it nor knowing anything. If any universe-creator exists within the universe then any universe-creator will of necessity be known as we come to know the world we are a part of. If any universe-creator does not exist within the universe then there can be no knowledge of any universe-creator and there is nothing to say about the unknown and the unknowable except that the unknowable is never to be known and the unknown is already unknown. Arguments to the contrary are necessarily arguments and are not knowledge. Arguments for or arguments against the existence of that which is unknown and, or, or unknowable yield no knowledge.

Belief, opinion, point of view, argument, faith, assumption, and conjecture: none of these are knowledge.

There is the assertion that there was that which predated our human presence in the universe and that that makes us as the creators of the ALL an impossibility. There is further the assertion that since we came of non-knowing materials, such as carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen, to name an atomic three, or from non-knowing living entities, such as microbes, animals in general, and some pre-human or simply definitely non-human living material, that therefore we are not our own creators and not the creators of the universe, and that there is “something else” “somehow” “involved” in the creation of humankind and the creation of the universe and not human kind at all.

Even the theologians of the so called dark ages knew better than to give an “intelligent design” “answer” to the existence of the universe, life, or human life. I INSIST THAT IT REQUIRES HONESTY. Honest people know what honesty is and work to be aware of their ignorance and know the limits to their knowledge. Since god was assumed to have created the universe, god then of course created life in all its forms, including, if there is a question, human life. Either version in the Christian book of genesis will do. NO further inquiry is required. Honest theologians even of the so-called dark ages knew the difference between knowledge and belief and faith. God did not “cause” the universe. God CREATED cause and intelligence as god created the ALL, which includes “causes” and "intelligence". Only in human terms is god a “cause”. Since god is not a measly human, ascribing human intelligence and other mere human qualities to god is absurd and done only because we pathetic earthlings are so limited. Honest people know they are being anthropomorphic and know better and that they cannot know god.

Honest people will admit that creationism and intelligent design would be defining the universe in terms of human written versions of creation and of god, to the belief in those writings, and to the faith in the authority, backed by the sword, and that such can yield no answer to any honest question.

The “moments of existence” of human life is yet to be discovered. It is not an answer to say “god did it”. That is a dishonest answer for it assumes that it is an answer and it is not. It is dishonest for it gives no detail as to the how. If the human written version in the Christian books of genesis, or any other, is accepted as a sufficient answer, then, though accepting this as an answer would be dishonest, that is all the acceptor needs and there is nothing more for them to say: they believe and have stopped asking. Such an acceptance is dishonest because it assumes belief is knowledge. Most believers are dishonest for that reason. If this describes any reader as mendacious, if the shoe fits, maybe such a dishonest reader can wear the mendacity shoe.

The universe has the intelligent design only if there are human beings. For humans have the mind to know design. Humans are the intelligence in the universe. There was no intelligent anything before intelligence came to be. As far as we earthlings are aware there is no other intelligence than we ourselves: and none more is required than we ourselves for there to be the “proof” of intelligence: and if there is more, then any of that “more” have their “earth” to deal with, and we two or more have yet to know more than the selves we know.

Honest people stop “iffing” around and get on with living.

God is not a measly “intelligent”

For god to be “intelligent” we have to assume that god is human. That is blasphemy if I ever heard any. For only human beings are intelligent. If god created the universe then god created intelligence. AND GOD IS NOT SUBJECT TO GOD’S OWN CREATION! To assume an intelligent design to the universe is to assume that there was a post-god creation. To assert a “creative intelligence” causing human life is to assume a creator after god. Even the most darkly aged of the dark ages’ monastery monks would not be so stupid. For god cannot be measured in human terms and is beyond mere measly human intelligence for it was god that created intelligence in the first place! Therefore, there was no creative intelligent design to anything. Except as human beings did it.

God gave us the freedom to choose, fail or succeed.

God gave us the mind to learn, figure, re-figure, and hypothesize, and come to know. God gave us a physical ability to try, retry, experiment, build, rebuild, and change, to improvise, adapt, and overcome. God gave us a universe to play in, play with, live in, change, re-change, alter, re-alter, and learn from, to adapt to, to improvise meanwhile we overcome its limits on us by changing or changing it. And if we live and die short miserable little lives, well, it is not any fault. It would be reality. It is life and life is what the WE, humanity, makes of it. If we all die out on the earth there are always more where we came from for the world is full of life.

And people insist on a heaven!? And a soul!? And miracles!? And divine interventions!? And an after life!? And a new life after all that!? Such [selfish] creatures do not deserve more that what they have. Humanity shall never get more than what humanity itself creates. It is all there for us. It is all there need be. Anything else is presumptuous and fantasy.

♪♂♫♪♀♫♯♫♪♪“Love is a many-splendored thing!”♪♂♫♪♀♫♯♫♪♪

If the human object of your lust and, or, or love does not reciprocate and chooses else wise and other than you then you should be happy to “let go and let live” and yield to them their space to be free to exercise their choice. If you are not happy about it you need to get over it and get on with your life: you should GET happy about their exercise of freedom to choose even if their exercise of free will breaks your heart. Be honest with the fact that you cannot know better than they do what they want ... even if you believe you actually do “know better”, as if that even matters. What does matter? They won't be really human without acting freely and won't be really free if they must do what you want. Remember Svengali? He said "I could MAKE you love me ... but then: I would only be making love to myself!" ... he was at least that honest! You are being dishonest if you think another way! And then Svengali refused to exercise his power. He was honest enough to admit his utter impotence in the face of reality! You should be so honest! You should try to be better than a fictional character! You should not just “allow” others to be free to make their choices. You should be HAPPY to let them go on and be free. If you dwell on them you forget yourself: you risk being a slave to your passions and you risk forgetting reality and risk the loss of your own freedom. For “Love is a many-splendored thing!”. ♪♂♀♫♯♫♪♪

I shall stick with my god and ignore all the rest.

“The universe having a past before any of us being born is not evidence of anything but us as the creator because the past did not exist until there was an 'us' to know of it.” But …

It is known that we can know of a past before ourselves and we did not physically create that past as we create cars. What is insisted on is an “objective” physical reality without human existence. OH! Is that all? A universe first and THEN we came out of it somehow? There “must” have been a brain around to “know” of the universe back then is what is argued. But a brainless universe before human brains came? Either we are the brains or not. IF before us there were not any brains then simply there were not any brains. IF there was at least one brain then there was. A useless tautology. DUH! “IF” is not the beginning of a rational argument. “WHY is it being asked” or “WHAT is the problem such that the question is being asked” IS part of a rational argument. If the brain is there go get some of it. If it ain’t there there’s no use in looking for it. Is there a need for a brain for the existence of anything? If it is knowledge sought then the use of a brain might be useful, your own for example. If not then no brain is necessary and thus as I have stated irrelevant. If no brain is necessary then it is irrelevant to argue for one. If no brains came before ours and nevertheless we have ours from that brainlessness then it is obvious that it does not and did not require brains for the existence of the world. If the world exists then it has a “necessary being” otherwise it does not exist does it? But it does and so do we! Gasp and surprise. If there is no reason for some assumption there is not a reason to make it. If the universe is considered to have been made from the universe making factory it should be findable so let someone go find it.

If god is not part of the universe then we cannot know of god. If god is part of the universe then any thing we know of the universe IS knowing something of god or something we know of the universe IS of god or maybe sometime we shall overcome and come to know some part of god or all of god as we come to know more of the universe of which we are a part. If god is not part of the universe then there is no way to know of god no matter what we do.

The books and literature of humankind that are written about god are humankind made and I trust none of them and I shall let the writers go out and do some looking and some digging and some actual finding and get some god. God did not create the “god problem”. God did not create ANY of OUR problems. God cannot be blamed. Meanwhile I shall stick with my god and ignore all the rest.

IF NOT US, WHAT DOES IT MATTER?

We are the universe looking at itself, we are the universe thinking of itself, we are the universe communicating and we are the universe thinking and talking and being made real and if the cosmos is required to show an intelligence it shall of necessity be ourselves and if it is required to show an immortality it shall of necessity be our children and if it shall be required to have a purpose it shall be of necessity our caring for each other and our love which is why we care in the first place and our happiness which is our peace and proof of success and if it is required to have a master it shall be all of these together forever for we are that which is the commensuration and final measure of anything, everything and of the ALL. We are the cosmogony for we define the cosmology. If any of this is found to be wanting we shall redo and recreate the thing all over again as we shall configure it.

Oh! You wish you knew then what you know now?

You cannot go back. You wouldn’t if you could. OH! No! You simply wouldn’t be the one you are today if you became that young one way back then again. I do not mean a “no” in terms of time travel, as neither do you. Since you did not mean that you grew out of a garden of a paradise from back then nor did you mean that you came from a better world from back then, since you did not argue from either of them, then neither shall I. If the knowledge you have today were yours back then you would have been alone in the world with it. Was the world ready for you as you are now back then? If the world is not ready for you now would it have been ready for you back then? What ever you have learned the hard way or some other way was maybe not even known back then and that is why you never got it then. Those who taught you and exampled for you did not know to teach you or did not bother to teach you, either could not or refused to set examples for you to learn from. The knowledge in those senses I give means the knowledge wasn’t, effectively, even there. Now you know from your life time, such as it is, and life experiences, such as they have been, and from your ruminations, reflections, conclusions, and your desiderata, what you claim you now know.

The child with such knowledge as you have now and living amongst the rest of the world back then would be pitifully outcast. I do not mean with knowledge of computers and modern accoutrements, nor did you, but who would possess more social and human relationship knowledge, skills, and abilities than anyone around them. No one would understand such a one who would be called something akin to “child-being” and who would be an alien in the social arena.

To put it crudely and in the extreme, if you were now a younger but knowledgeable you set among anywhere anytime, you would not be alive long amongst the most advanced of any ancient time, even with also a collection of the most modern accoutrements. Either you would end it from being so incongruous or they would end you.

All of this I guess you already vaguely figure intuitively.

The “you” that is you sits and sees from atop the summit of an accumulated mound of the entirety of the memory, the entirety of the how you came to think and came to know anything. You are the result also of the struggles to come to have what you have. You are the result also of the struggles to come to know what you know. You are the result also of the struggles to come to be whatever it is you are. You are the end result of your struggles to survive. You are the end result of your disappointments, embarrassments, humiliations, and failures. You are the end result of your successes, earnings, learning, and works. You should not wish that changed. OH! No! You shouldn’t! Because such a change would entail and guarantee that you would, very simply, not be you. Such a change would entail and guarantee you would not know yourself, would not recognize yourself, and would not have any knowledge at all. No, you wouldn’t, no, not without all of, may we just say, all of “that”. All of “that” is what you really are. All of “that” is what made you “you”. Even if you are a monster or some disgusting freak, you are still even if undeservedly but nevertheless necessarily all of “that”.

To put it crudely and in the extreme, if you were now a younger but knowledgeable you set among an anywhere at anytime, either you would end it from being incongruous or they would end you. If you should impart what you now know to some one now as young as you want, that one would still have to come to understand what you know plus live and learn and come to know the world as it now is. They might be better for all you impart but would have to have a new list of problems and puzzles and complaints all new to you. And you would necessarily become incongruous to them. Such is so that you would become what is called the dinosaur or "old". That it seems is the result in even societies that supposedly never change.

And you wish you could live a thousand years!